Sunan Ibn Majah 25 · Project Hadith

حدثنا أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة قال: حدثنا غندر، عن شعبة، ح وحدثنا محمد بن بشار قال: حدثنا عبد الرحمن بن مهدي قال: حدثنا شعبة، عن عمرو بن مرة، عن عبد الرحمن بن أبي ليلى، قال: قلنا لزيد بن أرقم: حدثنا عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، قال: «كبرنا ونسينا، والحديث عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم شديد»

No English translation in the data for this text.

Sunan Ibn Majah, vol. 1, p. 11, no. 25. Not yet checked against the printed edition.

Status

No grading recorded yet

No scholar's grading of this hadith is loaded.

Chain of narratorsBy year of death

Route 1 of 2

ابن ماجهCompiler · Identified · d. 273–275 AH
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
محمد بن ماجه : يزيد
d. 273–275 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
وحدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
محمد بن بشارProposed match · d. 252 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
محمد بن بشار بن عثمان بن داود بن كيسان
d. 252 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'محمد بن بشار'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- محمد بن يسار no death date
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 469, entry 5754 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الحافظal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- فيه ترك حديثهal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- وثقه غير واحد وقدal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- عن عائشةمرة, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال رجل أعيذك بالله ما أفصحكقالت, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- أختلف إلى أبي عبيدة فقال قد بان عليككنت, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
عبد الرحمن بن مهديProposed match · d. 198 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عبد الرحمن بن مهدي بن حسان بن عبد الرحمن
d. 198 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 983 carries the name form 'عبد الرحمن بن مهدي'.
What the critics say
- ثقة ثبت حافظ عارف بالرجال والحديث قال بن المديني ما رأيت أعلم منهReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 351, entry 4018 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الحافظal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 645, entry 3323 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- كان أفقه من يحيى القطانal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 645, entry 3323 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ما رأيت في يده كتابا قطالذهلي, al-Kashif, p. 645, entry 3323 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- أعلم الناس بالحديث عبد الرحمنعلي بن المديني, al-Kashif, p. 645, entry 3323 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
شعبةProposed match · d. 160 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
شعبة بن الحجاج بن الورد
d. 160 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 8 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'شعبه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- شعبة بن دينار no death date
- سعيد بن أبي عروبة : مهران d. 150–157 AH
- شعيب بن الحبحاب d. 130–131 AH
- شعبة no death date
- شعيب بن الليث بن سعد بن عبد الرحمن d. 180–199 AH
- شعبة بن دينار no death date
- شعبة d. 111 AH
What the critics say
- ثقة حافظ متقن كان الثوري يقول هو أمير المؤمنين في الحديث وهو أول من فتش بالعراق عن الرجال وذب عن السنة وكان عابداReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 266, entry 2790 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الحافظal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 485, entry 2278 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- من ألفي حديثal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 485, entry 2278 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
عمرو بن مرةProposed match
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عمرو بن مرة بن عبس بن مالك بن المحرث بن مازن بن سعد بن مالك بن رفاعة بن نصر بن غطفان بن قيس بن جهينة
No death date recorded
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'عمرو بن مره'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- عمرو بن مرة بن عبس الجهني الأزدي d. 118 AH
- عمرو بن مرزوق d. 223–224 AH
What the critics say
- صحابيCompanion · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 427, entry 5113 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
عبد الرحمن بن أبي ليلىProposed match · d. 71–83 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عبد الرحمن بن أبي ليلى ، واسمه : يسار ، ويقال : بلال ، ويقال : داود بن بلال بن بليل بن أحيحة بن الجلاح بن الحريش بن جحجبا بن كلفة بن عوف بن عمرو بن عوف بن مالك بن الأوس
d. 71–83 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 1998 carries the name form 'عبد الرحمن بن ابي ليلي'.
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 349, entry 3993 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- كان أصحابه يعظمونه كأنه أميرal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 641, entry 3300 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
no term
رسول اللهThe Prophet MuhammadThe Prophet ﷺ · Identified
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم · The Prophet Muhammad
No death date recorded

Route 2 of 2

ابن ماجهCompiler · Identified · d. 273–275 AH
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
محمد بن ماجه : يزيد
d. 273–275 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
أبو بكر بن أبي شيبةProposed match · d. 234–235 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عبد الله بن محمد بن أبي شيبة : إبراهيم بن عثمان بن خواستي
d. 234–235 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'ابو بكر بن ابي شيبه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة no death date
What the critics say
- ثقة حافظ صاحب تصانيفReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 320, entry 3575 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
غندرProposed match · d. 192–194 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
محمد بن جعفر
d. 192–194 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'غندر'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- غندر d. 191 AH
What the critics say
No verdict loaded for this narrator yet.
عن · ʿan, “from”
شعبةProposed match · d. 160 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
شعبة بن الحجاج بن الورد
d. 160 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 8 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'شعبه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- شعبة بن دينار no death date
- سعيد بن أبي عروبة : مهران d. 150–157 AH
- شعيب بن الحبحاب d. 130–131 AH
- شعبة no death date
- شعيب بن الليث بن سعد بن عبد الرحمن d. 180–199 AH
- شعبة بن دينار no death date
- شعبة d. 111 AH
What the critics say
- ثقة حافظ متقن كان الثوري يقول هو أمير المؤمنين في الحديث وهو أول من فتش بالعراق عن الرجال وذب عن السنة وكان عابداReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 266, entry 2790 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الحافظal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 485, entry 2278 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- من ألفي حديثal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 485, entry 2278 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
عمرو بن مرةProposed match
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عمرو بن مرة بن عبس بن مالك بن المحرث بن مازن بن سعد بن مالك بن رفاعة بن نصر بن غطفان بن قيس بن جهينة
No death date recorded
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'عمرو بن مره'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- عمرو بن مرة بن عبس الجهني الأزدي d. 118 AH
- عمرو بن مرزوق d. 223–224 AH
What the critics say
- صحابيCompanion · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 427, entry 5113 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
عبد الرحمن بن أبي ليلىProposed match · d. 71–83 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عبد الرحمن بن أبي ليلى ، واسمه : يسار ، ويقال : بلال ، ويقال : داود بن بلال بن بليل بن أحيحة بن الجلاح بن الحريش بن جحجبا بن كلفة بن عوف بن عمرو بن عوف بن مالك بن الأوس
d. 71–83 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 1998 carries the name form 'عبد الرحمن بن ابي ليلي'.
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 349, entry 3993 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- كان أصحابه يعظمونه كأنه أميرal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 641, entry 3300 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
no term
رسول اللهThe Prophet MuhammadThe Prophet ﷺ · Identified
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم · The Prophet Muhammad
No death date recorded

Names are as the text writes them; Latin-script names are not in the data yet (OPEN-33). Open a name to see who it may be and what the critics say.

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ابن ماجه from محمد بن بشار: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.

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ابن ماجه from أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة from غندر: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
غندر from شعبة: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.

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