Jami' al-Tirmidhi 1683 · Project Hadith

1683

حدثنا محمد بن شجاع البغدادي قال: حدثنا أبو عبيدة الحداد، عن عثمان بن سعد، عن ابن سيرين، قال: صنعت سيفي على سيف سمرة بن جندب، وزعم سمرة أنه «صنع سيفه على سيف رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، وكان حنفيا» : هذا حديث غريب لا نعرفه إلا من هذا الوجه، وقد تكلم يحيى بن سعيد القطان في عثمان بن سعد الكاتب وضعفه من قبل حفظه

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Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 4, p. 196, no. 1683. Not yet checked against the printed edition.

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هذا حديث غريبal-Tirmidhi, Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 4, p. 196, no. 1683Not yet checked against the printed edition.

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Chain of narratorsBy year of death

الترمذيCompiler · Identified · d. 275–279 AH
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محمد بن عيسى بن سورة بن موسى بن الضحاك ، وقيل : محمد بن عيسى بن يزيد بن سورة بن السكن
d. 275–279 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
محمد بن شجاع البغداديProposed match · d. 244–247 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
محمد بن شجاع
d. 244–247 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'محمد بن شجاع البغدادي'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- حمد بن شجاع البغدادي no death date
- محمد بن شجاع d. 266 AH
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 483, entry 5952 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- وثقal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 179, entry 4901 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
أبو عبيدة الحدادProposed match · d. 190 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عبد الواحد بن واصل
d. 190 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'ابو عبيده الحداد'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- أبو عبيدة الحداد no death date
What the critics say
- ثقة تكلم فيه الأزدي بغير حجةIbn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 367, entry 4249 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- تكلم فيهالأزدي, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 367, entry 4249 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ثقةReliable · al-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 673, entry 3508 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
عثمان بن سعدProposed match · d. 151–160 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عثمان بن سعد
d. 151–160 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'عثمان بن سعد'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- عثمان بن سعد no death date
- عثمان بن سعد d. 151 AH
What the critics say
- ضعيفWeak · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 383, entry 4471 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
ابن سيرينProposed match · d. 110 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
محمد بن أبي عمرة : سيرين
d. 110 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'ابن سيرين'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- أنس بن أبي عمرة : سيرين d. 118–120 AH
What the critics say
- ثقة ثبت عابد كبير القدر كان لا يرى الرواية بالمعنىReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 483, entry 5947 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- أحد الأعلامal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 178, entry 4898 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ثقة حجة كبير العلم ورع بعيد الصيت له سبعة أوراد بالليلReliable, with emphasis · al-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 178, entry 4898 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
no term
رسول اللهThe Prophet MuhammadThe Prophet ﷺ · Identified
Identified
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Who
رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم · The Prophet Muhammad
No death date recorded

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الترمذي from محمد بن شجاع البغدادي: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
ابن سيرين is not recorded as a Companion in the data loaded.

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