Jami' al-Tirmidhi 2843 · Project Hadith

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حدثنا محمد بن بشار قال: حدثنا يحيى بن سعيد القطان قال: حدثنا فطر بن خليفة قال: حدثني منذر وهو الثوري، عن محمد ابن الحنفية، عن علي بن أبي طالب، أنه قال: يا رسول الله أرأيت إن ولد لي بعدك أسميه محمدا وأكنيه بكنيتك؟ قال: «نعم» قال: «فكانت رخصة لي» هذا حديث صحيح "

No English translation in the data for this text.

Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 136, no. 2843. Not yet checked against the printed edition.

Status

هذا حديث صحيحSound · al-Tirmidhi, Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 136, no. 2843Not yet checked against the printed edition.

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Chain of narratorsBy year of death

الترمذيCompiler · Identified · d. 275–279 AH
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
محمد بن عيسى بن سورة بن موسى بن الضحاك ، وقيل : محمد بن عيسى بن يزيد بن سورة بن السكن
d. 275–279 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
محمد بن بشارProposed match · d. 252 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
محمد بن بشار بن عثمان بن داود بن كيسان
d. 252 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'محمد بن بشار'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- محمد بن يسار no death date
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 469, entry 5754 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الحافظal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- فيه ترك حديثهal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- وثقه غير واحد وقدal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- عن عائشةمرة, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال رجل أعيذك بالله ما أفصحكقالت, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- أختلف إلى أبي عبيدة فقال قد بان عليككنت, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
يحيى بن سعيد القطانProposed match · d. 198 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
يحيى بن سعيد بن فروخ
d. 198 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'يحيي بن سعيد القطان'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- يحيى بن سعيد no death date
What the critics say
- ثقة متقن حافظ إمام قدوةReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 591, entry 7557 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الحافظal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 366, entry 6175 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ما رأيت مثلهأحمد, al-Kashif, p. 366, entry 6175 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- حدثنا إمام أهل زمانه يحيى القطان واختلفت إليه عشرين سنة فما أظن أنه عصى الله قطبندار, al-Kashif, p. 366, entry 6175 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
فطر بن خليفةProposed match · d. 153–156 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
فطر بن خليفة
d. 153–156 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'فطر بن خليفه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- فطر بن خليفة no death date
- فطر بن خليفة d. 151 AH
What the critics say
- صدوق رمي بالتشيعTruthful, makes mistakes · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 448, entry 5441 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- شيعي جلد وثقه أحمد وابن معينal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 125, entry 4494 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- وثقهأحمد, al-Kashif, p. 125, entry 4494 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثني · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
منذر وهو الثوريProposed match
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
المنذر بن يعلى
No death date recorded
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 7564 carries the name form 'منذر وهو الثوري'.
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 546, entry 6894 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
محمد ابن الحنفيةProposed match · d. 73–114 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
محمد بن علي بن أبي طالب
d. 73–114 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 523 carries the name form 'محمد ابن الحنفيه'.
What the critics say
- ثقة عالمReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 497, entry 6157 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
علي بن أبي طالبProposed match · d. 40 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
علي بن أبي طالب : عبد مناف بن عبد المطلب بن هاشم بن عبد مناف
d. 40 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'علي بن ابي طالب'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- علي بن أبي طالب : حماد no death date
- علي بن أبي طالب no death date
What the critics say
No verdict loaded for this narrator yet.
no term
رسول اللهThe Prophet MuhammadThe Prophet ﷺ · Identified
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم · The Prophet Muhammad
No death date recorded

Names are as the text writes them; Latin-script names are not in the data yet (OPEN-33). Open a name to see who it may be and what the critics say.

System check · computed, not a ruling

Ruleset: Default rules for rating a chain v1 (draft)

فطر بن خليفة: a critic notes bid'a.
الترمذي from محمد بن بشار: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
فطر بن خليفة from منذر وهو الثوري: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
علي بن أبي طالب is not recorded as a Companion in the data loaded.

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