Jami' al-Tirmidhi 3209 · Project Hadith

3209

حدثنا قتيبة قال: حدثنا يعقوب بن عبد الرحمن، عن موسى بن عقبة، عن سالم، عن ابن عمر، قال: " ما كنا ندعو زيد بن حارثة إلا زيد ابن محمد حتى نزل القرآن: @QB@ {ادعوهم لآبائهم هو أقسط عند الله} @QE@ [الأحزاب: ٥] " : «هذا حديث حسن صحيح»

No English translation in the data for this text.

Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 352, no. 3209. Not yet checked against the printed edition.

Status

هذا حديث حسن صحيحGood and sound (al-Tirmidhi) · al-Tirmidhi, Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 352, no. 3209Not yet checked against the printed edition.

Shown without colour: the grade scale is a draft awaiting the client's scholars (OPEN-14).

Chain of narratorsBy year of death

الترمذيCompiler · Identified · d. 275–279 AH
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
محمد بن عيسى بن سورة بن موسى بن الضحاك ، وقيل : محمد بن عيسى بن يزيد بن سورة بن السكن
d. 275–279 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
قتيبةProposed match · d. 240–241 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
قتيبة بن سعيد بن جميل بن طريف بن عبد الله ، ويقال : اسمه يحيى ، وقيل : علي
d. 240–241 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'قتيبه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- قتيبة no death date
What the critics say
- ثقة ثبتReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 454, entry 5522 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
يعقوب بن عبد الرحمنProposed match · d. 181 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
يعقوب بن عبد الرحمن بن محمد بن عبد الله بن عبد
d. 181 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'يعقوب بن عبد الرحمن'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- يعقوب بن عبد الرحمن بن أحمد بن يعقوب d. 331 AH
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 608, entry 7824 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
موسى بن عقبةProposed match · d. 135–145 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
موسى بن عقبة بن أبي عياش
d. 135–145 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'موسي بن عقبه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- موسى بن أيوب بن عامر d. 152–153 AH
- موسى بن عقبة no death date
What the critics say
- ثقة فقيه إمام في المغازيReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 552, entry 6992 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
سالمProposed match · d. 129–133 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
سالم بن أبي أمية ، ويقال : ابن أبى ميمونة
d. 129–133 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 35 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'سالم'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- سلم بن عبد الرحمن d. 121–130 AH
- سالم d. 101–120 AH
- سالم بن عبيد no death date
- سالم المكي no death date
- سالم no death date
- الم no death date
- سالم القرشي no death date
- سالم مولى النعمان no death date
- الم no death date
- سالم بن شوال no death date
- سالم ، عن عمرو بن وابصة no death date
What the critics say
- ثقة ثبت وكان يرسلReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 226, entry 2169 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ثقة نبيلReliable · al-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 421, entry 1766 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
ابن عمرProposed match · d. 23–24 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عمر بن الخطاب بن نفيل بن عبد العزى بن رياح بن عبد الله بن قرط بن رزاح بن عدي بن كعب بن لؤي بن غالب
d. 23–24 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 8 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'ابن عمر'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- دينار بن عمر d. 121–130 AH
- عبد الله بن عمر بن حفص بن عاصم بن عمر بن الخطاب d. 171–173 AH
- محمد بن عمر بن واقد d. 207 AH
- محمد بن يحيى بن أبي عمر ، وقد ينسب إلى جده ، وقيل : إن أبا عمر كنية أبيه يحيى d. 243–244 AH
- عبد الله بن عمر بن الخطاب d. 73 AH
- نافع بن عمر بن عبد الله بن جميل بن عامر بن حذيم بن سلامان بن ربيعة بن سعد بن جمح d. 169 AH
- يحيى بن عبيد d. 111–120 AH
What the critics say
No verdict loaded for this narrator yet.

Names are as the text writes them; Latin-script names are not in the data yet (OPEN-33). Open a name to see who it may be and what the critics say.

System check · computed, not a ruling

Ruleset: Default rules for rating a chain v1 (draft)

سالم: a critic notes irsal.
الترمذي from قتيبة: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
سالم from ابن عمر: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.

Combined rating: The ruleset and vocabularies are drafts awaiting the client's scholars. (OPEN-15)

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