Jami' al-Tirmidhi 3717 · Project Hadith

3717

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حدثنا قتيبة قال: حدثنا جعفر بن سليمان، عن أبي هارون العبدي، عن أبي سعيد الخدري، قال: «إن كنا لنعرف المنافقين نحن معشر الأنصار ببغضهم علي بن أبي طالب» . هذا حديث غريب. وقد تكلم شعبة في أبي هارون " وقد روي هذا عن الأعمش، عن أبي صالح، عن أبي سعيد

No English translation in the data for this text.

Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 633, no. 3717. Not yet checked against the printed edition.

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حدثنا واصل بن عبد الأعلى قال: حدثنا محمد بن فضيل، عن عبد الله بن عبد الرحمن أبي نصر، عن المساور الحميري، عن أمه، قالت: دخلت على أم سلمة، فسمعتها تقول: كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: «لا يحب عليا منافق ولا يبغضه مؤمن» وفي الباب عن علي. وهذا حديث حسن غريب من هذا الوجه

No English translation in the data for this text.

Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 633, no. 3717. Not yet checked against the printed edition.

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Status

هذا حديث غريبal-Tirmidhi, Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 633, no. 3717Not yet checked against the printed edition.

Shown without colour: the grade scale is a draft awaiting the client's scholars (OPEN-14).

Chain of narratorsBy year of death

الترمذيCompiler · Identified · d. 275–279 AH
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
محمد بن عيسى بن سورة بن موسى بن الضحاك ، وقيل : محمد بن عيسى بن يزيد بن سورة بن السكن
d. 275–279 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
قتيبةProposed match · d. 240–241 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
قتيبة بن سعيد بن جميل بن طريف بن عبد الله ، ويقال : اسمه يحيى ، وقيل : علي
d. 240–241 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'قتيبه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- قتيبة no death date
What the critics say
- ثقة ثبتReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 454, entry 5522 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
جعفر بن سليمانProposed match · d. 178 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
جعفر بن سليمان
d. 178 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 4 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'جعفر بن سليمان'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- جعفر بن سليمان بن علي بن عبد الله بن العباس d. 174–175 AH
- جعفر بن سليمان d. 282 AH
- جعفر بن سليمان d. 321 AH
What the critics say
- صدوق زاهد لكنه كان يتشيعIbn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 140, entry 942 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ثقة فيه شيء مع كثرة علومه قيل كان أميا وهو من زهاد الشيعةReliable · al-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 294, entry 792 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
أبي هارون العبديProposed match · d. 134 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عمارة بن جوين
d. 134 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 2543 carries the name form 'ابو هارون العبدي'.
What the critics say
No verdict loaded for this narrator yet.
عن · ʿan, “from”
أبي سعيد الخدريProposed match · d. 63–74 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
سعد بن مالك بن سنان بن عبيد بن ثعلبة بن عبيد بن الأبجر : خدرة بن عوف بن الحارث بن الخزرج بن حارثة بن ثعلبة بن عمرو بن عامر
d. 63–74 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'ابي سعيد الخدري'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- أبي سعيد الخدري no death date
- سعد بن مالك بن سنان بن عبيد بن ثعلبة بن عبيد بن خدرة بن عوف بن الحارث بن الخزرج d. 71 AH
What the critics say
No verdict loaded for this narrator yet.

Names are as the text writes them; Latin-script names are not in the data yet (OPEN-33). Open a name to see who it may be and what the critics say.

System check · computed, not a ruling

Ruleset: Default rules for rating a chain v1 (draft)

جعفر بن سليمان: a critic notes bid'a.
الترمذي from قتيبة: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
جعفر بن سليمان from أبي هارون العبدي: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
أبي هارون العبدي from أبي سعيد الخدري: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.

Combined rating: The ruleset and vocabularies are drafts awaiting the client's scholars. (OPEN-15)

These are leads for a scholar to review, not results.

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هذا حديث حسن غريبal-Tirmidhi, Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 633, no. 3717Not yet checked against the printed edition.

Shown without colour: the grade scale is a draft awaiting the client's scholars (OPEN-14).

Chain of narratorsBy year of death

الترمذيCompiler · Identified · d. 275–279 AH
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
محمد بن عيسى بن سورة بن موسى بن الضحاك ، وقيل : محمد بن عيسى بن يزيد بن سورة بن السكن
d. 275–279 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
واصل بن عبد الأعلىProposed match · d. 244 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
واصل بن عبد الأعلى بن هلال
d. 244 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 8253 carries the name form 'واصل بن عبد الاعلي'.
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 579, entry 7384 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ثقةReliable · al-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 346, entry 6029 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
محمد بن فضيلProposed match · d. 194–195 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
محمد بن فضيل بن غزوان بن جرير
d. 194–195 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 493 carries the name form 'محمد بن فضيل'.
What the critics say
- صدوق عارف رمي بالتشيعTruthful, makes mistakes · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 502, entry 6227 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الحافظal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 211, entry 5115 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ثقة شيعيReliable · al-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 211, entry 5115 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
عبد الله بن عبد الرحمن أبي نصرProposed match
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عبد الله بن عبد الرحمن
No death date recorded
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 3124 carries the name form 'عبد الله بن عبد الرحمن ابي نصر'.
What the critics say
No verdict loaded for this narrator yet.
عن · ʿan, “from”
المساور الحميريProposed match
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
مساور
No death date recorded
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 3125 carries the name form 'المساور الحميري'.
What the critics say
- مجهولUnknown · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 527, entry 6587 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
أمهNot identified
Not identified
The name as written, and nothing more.
no term
رسول اللهThe Prophet MuhammadThe Prophet ﷺ · Identified
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم · The Prophet Muhammad
No death date recorded

Names are as the text writes them; Latin-script names are not in the data yet (OPEN-33). Open a name to see who it may be and what the critics say.

System check · computed, not a ruling

Ruleset: Default rules for rating a chain v1 (draft)

محمد بن فضيل: a critic notes bid'a.
أمه: not identified, so the links around this name are not checked.
الترمذي from واصل بن عبد الأعلى: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.

Combined rating: The ruleset and vocabularies are drafts awaiting the client's scholars. (OPEN-15)

These are leads for a scholar to review, not results.

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