Jami' al-Tirmidhi 3784 · Project Hadith

3784

حدثنا محمد بن بشار قال: حدثنا أبو عامر العقدي قال: حدثنا زمعة بن صالح، عن سلمة بن وهرام، عن عكرمة، عن ابن عباس، قال: كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم حامل الحسن بن علي على عاتقه فقال رجل: نعم المركب ركبت يا غلام، فقال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: «ونعم الراكب هو» هذا حديث غريب لا نعرفه إلا من هذا الوجه «وزمعة بن صالح قد ضعفه بعض أهل الحديث من قبل حفظه»

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Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 660, no. 3784. Not yet checked against the printed edition.

Status

هذا حديث غريبal-Tirmidhi, Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 660, no. 3784Not yet checked against the printed edition.

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Chain of narratorsBy year of death

الترمذيCompiler · Identified · d. 275–279 AH
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
محمد بن عيسى بن سورة بن موسى بن الضحاك ، وقيل : محمد بن عيسى بن يزيد بن سورة بن السكن
d. 275–279 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
محمد بن بشارProposed match · d. 252 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
محمد بن بشار بن عثمان بن داود بن كيسان
d. 252 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'محمد بن بشار'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- محمد بن يسار no death date
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 469, entry 5754 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الحافظal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- فيه ترك حديثهal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- وثقه غير واحد وقدal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- عن عائشةمرة, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال رجل أعيذك بالله ما أفصحكقالت, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- أختلف إلى أبي عبيدة فقال قد بان عليككنت, al-Kashif, p. 159, entry 4740 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
أبو عامر العقديProposed match · d. 204–205 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عبد الملك بن عمرو
d. 204–205 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 2710 carries the name form 'ابو عامر العقدي'.
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 364, entry 4199 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الحافظal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 667, entry 3467 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
زمعة بن صالحProposed match · d. 151–160 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
زمعة بن صالح
d. 151–160 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'زمعه بن صالح'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- زمعة بن صالح no death date
What the critics say
- ضعيف وحديثه عند مسلم مقرونWeak · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 217, entry 2035 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ضعفهأحمد, al-Kashif, p. 406, entry 1653 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
سلمة بن وهرامProposed match · d. 121 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
سلمة بن وهرام
d. 121 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'سلمه بن وهرام'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- سلمة بن وهرام no death date
What the critics say
- صدوقTruthful · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 248, entry 2515 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- وثقهبن معين, al-Kashif, p. 455, entry 2053 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
عكرمةProposed match · d. 104–115 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عكرمة بن منصور
d. 104–115 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'عكرمه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- عكرمة بن خالد بن العاص بن هشام بن المغيرة بن عبد الله بن عمر بن مخزوم بن يقظة بن مرة بن كعب بن لؤي بن غالب بن فهر المخزومي القرشي يروى عن بن عمر وهو الذي d. 115 AH
- عكرمة بن عمار بن عقبة بن حبيب بن شهاب بن ذباب بن الحارث بن حمصانة بن الأسعد بن جذيمة بن سعد بن عجل d. 159–160 AH
What the critics say
No verdict loaded for this narrator yet.
عن · ʿan, “from”
ابن عباسProposed match · d. 65–73 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عبد الله بن عباس بن عبد المطلب
d. 65–73 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'ابن عباس'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- ابن عباس الحميري no death date
What the critics say
No verdict loaded for this narrator yet.
no term
رسول اللهThe Prophet MuhammadThe Prophet ﷺ · Identified
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم · The Prophet Muhammad
No death date recorded

Names are as the text writes them; Latin-script names are not in the data yet (OPEN-33). Open a name to see who it may be and what the critics say.

System check · computed, not a ruling

Ruleset: Default rules for rating a chain v1 (draft)

الترمذي from محمد بن بشار: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
سلمة بن وهرام from عكرمة: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
عكرمة from ابن عباس: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.

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