Jami' al-Tirmidhi 3814 · Project Hadith

3814

حدثنا قتيبة قال: حدثنا يعقوب بن عبد الرحمن، عن موسى بن عقبة، عن سالم بن عبد الله بن عمر، عن أبيه، قال: " ما كنا ندعو زيد بن حارثة إلا زيد ابن محمد حتى نزلت @QB@ {ادعوهم لآبائهم هو أقسط عند الله} @QE@ [الأحزاب: ٥] هذا حديث حسن صحيح

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Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 675, no. 3814. Not yet checked against the printed edition.

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Chain of narratorsBy year of death

الترمذيCompiler · Identified · d. 275–279 AH
Identified
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Who
محمد بن عيسى بن سورة بن موسى بن الضحاك ، وقيل : محمد بن عيسى بن يزيد بن سورة بن السكن
d. 275–279 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
قتيبةProposed match · d. 240–241 AH
Proposed match
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Proposed identity
قتيبة بن سعيد بن جميل بن طريف بن عبد الله ، ويقال : اسمه يحيى ، وقيل : علي
d. 240–241 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'قتيبه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- قتيبة no death date
What the critics say
- ثقة ثبتReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 454, entry 5522 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
يعقوب بن عبد الرحمنProposed match · d. 181 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
يعقوب بن عبد الرحمن بن محمد بن عبد الله بن عبد
d. 181 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'يعقوب بن عبد الرحمن'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- يعقوب بن عبد الرحمن بن أحمد بن يعقوب d. 331 AH
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 608, entry 7824 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
موسى بن عقبةProposed match · d. 135–145 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
موسى بن عقبة بن أبي عياش
d. 135–145 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 3 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'موسي بن عقبه'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- موسى بن أيوب بن عامر d. 152–153 AH
- موسى بن عقبة no death date
What the critics say
- ثقة فقيه إمام في المغازيReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 552, entry 6992 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
سالم بن عبد الله بن عمرProposed match · d. 106 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
سالم بن عبد الله بن عمر بن الخطاب
d. 106 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 42587 carries the name form 'سالم بن عبد الله بن عمر'.
What the critics say
- لم يكن أحد في زمان سالم أشبه بمن مضى في الزهد والفضل والعيش الخشن منهمالك, al-Kashif, p. 422, entry 1773 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
أبيهProposed match · d. 162 AH
Proposed match
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Proposed identity
عبد الله بن عبد الله بن محمد بن أبي سبرة بن أبي رهم بن عبد العزى
d. 162 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 'ابيه' read from the previous narrator's name (nasab) and his teachers as Itqan records them.
What the critics say
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الترمذي from قتيبة: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
سالم بن عبد الله بن عمر from أبيه: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.

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