Jami' al-Tirmidhi 709 · Project Hadith

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حدثنا بذلك قتيبة قال: حدثنا الليث، عن موسى بن علي، عن أبيه، عن أبي قيس، مولى عمرو بن العاص، عن عمرو بن العاص، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم بذلك. " وهذا حديث حسن صحيح، وأهل مصر يقولون: موسى بن علي، وأهل العراق: يقولون موسى بن علي، وهو موسى بن علي بن رباح اللخمي "

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Jami' al-Tirmidhi, vol. 3, p. 79, no. 709. Not yet checked against the printed edition.

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Chain of narratorsBy year of death

الترمذيCompiler · Identified · d. 275–279 AH
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
محمد بن عيسى بن سورة بن موسى بن الضحاك ، وقيل : محمد بن عيسى بن يزيد بن سورة بن السكن
d. 275–279 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- The compiler of the work.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
بذلك قتيبةNot identified
Not identified
The name as written, and nothing more.
حدثنا · ḥaddathanā, “he narrated to us”
الليثProposed match · d. 175–177 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
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الليثي
d. 175–177 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'الليث'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- ليث بن أبي سليم بن زنيم ، واسم أبي سليم أيمن ، ويقال : أنس ، ويقال : زيادة ، ويقال : عيسى. d. 138–148 AH
What the critics say
- ثقة ثبت فقيه إمام مشهورReliable, with emphasis · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 464, entry 5684 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- الإمامal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 151, entry 4691 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ثبت من نظراء مالك قيل كان مغله في العام ثمانين ألف دينار فما وجبت عليه زكاةReliable · al-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 151, entry 4691 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
موسى بن عليProposed match · d. 163 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
موسى بن علي بن رباح
d. 163 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 2 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'موسي بن علي'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- موسى بن علي d. 301–310 AH
What the critics say
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عن · ʿan, “from”
أبيهProposed match · d. 114–117 AH
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The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
علي بن رباح بن قصير بن القشيب بن بنيع بن أردة بن حجر بن جذيلة بن لخم
d. 114–117 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 'ابيه' read from the previous narrator's name (nasab) and his teachers as Itqan records them.
What the critics say
- ثقة والمشهور فيه علي بالتصغير وكان يغضب منهاReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 401, entry 4732 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- في المكتب وقت مقتل عثمانكنت, al-Kashif, p. 39, entry 3914 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
أبي قيسProposed match · d. 54 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عبد الرحمن بن ثابت ، وقيل : ابن الحكم
d. 54 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- 6 Itqan profiles carry the name form 'ابو قيس'. This one's recorded teachers and students include the narrator before and the narrator after in this chain. The identity rests on that link, so the link is not independent evidence of continuity.
Other candidates considered
- أبو قيس no death date
- عبد الرحمن بن ثروان d. 120 AH
- محمد بن قيس d. 141–150 AH
- محمد بن سعيد بن حسان بن قيس ، ويقال محمد بن سعيد بن عبد العزيز ، ويقال : ابن أبي عتبة ، ويقال : ابن أبي قيس ، ويقال : ابن أبي حسان ، ويقال : ابن الطبري d. 150 AH
- الأسود بن قيس d. 131–140 AH
What the critics say
- ثقةReliable · Ibn Ḥajar al-ʿAsqalānī, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, p. 667, entry 8316 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- ثقة فقيهReliable · al-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 452, entry 6789 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
عن · ʿan, “from”
عمرو بن العاصProposed match · d. 42–62 AH
Proposed match
The importer's suggestion, not yet confirmed by a scholar.
Proposed identity
عمرو بن العاص بن وائل بن هاشم بن سعيد بن سهم بن عمرو بن هصيص بن كعب بن لؤي بن غالب
d. 42–62 AH, per Itqan narrator index (internal disambiguation only)
Why this match
- Only Itqan profile 828 carries the name form 'عمرو بن العاص'.
What the critics say
- كان إذا رأى ذا عيal-Dhahabī, al-Kashif, p. 80, entry 4175 · not yet checked against the printed edition
- هذا وعمرو واحدخالق, al-Kashif, p. 80, entry 4175 · not yet checked against the printed edition
These are said of the proposed identity, which a scholar has not yet confirmed.
no term
النبيThe Prophet MuhammadThe Prophet ﷺ · Identified
Identified
Named by the text itself.
Who
رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم · The Prophet Muhammad
No death date recorded

Names are as the text writes them; Latin-script names are not in the data yet (OPEN-33). Open a name to see who it may be and what the critics say.

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بذلك قتيبة: not identified, so the links around this name are not checked.
الليث from موسى بن علي: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.
موسى بن علي from أبيه: no biographical source loaded lists this teacher and student.

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